Quantitative Reasoning Courses at COA

Frequently Asked Questions


  1. Why did you stop giving the assessment test to incoming students?
  2. Numerically, how do I interpret my score on assessment test? How did I get a score higher than the number of questions on the test?
  3. What math courses are offered and when?
  4. When are Calculus and Physics offered?
  5. What's the deal with the Quantitative Reasoning Requirement?
  6. Do AP credits fulfill the Quantitative Reasoning requirement?
  7. Do any non-math classes fulfill the Quantitative Reasoning Requirement?
  8. What math is needed for other classes?
  9. What math and physics is needed for graduate school?
  10. Who should take The Nature and Language of Mathematics?
  11. Who should take Introduction to Chaos and Fractals?
  12. Should I take Introduction to Chaos and Fractals or The Nature and Language of Mathematics?
  13. Should I take Calculus?
  14. I've taken Calculus before. Can I start in Calc II?
  15. What advanced math courses are there?
  16. Do math courses taken at other colleges "count"?
  17. Can I place out of the QR requirement?
  18. Is computer programming offered?
  19. Is astronomy offered?


Why did you stop giving the assessment test to incoming students??

I gave the test for the first three year: 98-00. I found that the information we got from the test wasn't that helpful. Administering the test took a lot of time, was not a lot of fun for most students, and was borderline traumatic for some. Thus, it doesn't seem worth it to me to give the test.

Numerically, how do I interpret my score on assessment test? How did I get a score higher than the number of questions on the test??

If you took the test in the fall of 2000, your test had only 30 questions on it. Previous years' tests had 60 questions. I wanted to make the scores from different years mean roughly the same thing. Thus, I multiplied the scores from 2000 by two. (I.e., if you got 22 questions right out of 30, I reported your score as a 44.)

What Math Courses are Offered and When?

See the
list of all Quantitative Reasoning courses. This list contains links to course descriptions and, when available, course home pages.

Also see the Schedule of 2001-02 Quantitative Reasoning courses.


When are Calculus and Physics Offered?

Calculus I and II will not be offered this year (2001-02), but will be offered next year, (2002-03).

Physics I and II will be offered offered this year (2001-02) and next year (2002-03).

Plan accordingly! Note that Calc I and II and Physics I and II are required by almost all graduate biology programs, as well as medical and veterinary schools. Calculus is also required by economics and, perhaps, public policy graduate programs.


What's the deal with the Quantitative Reasoning Requirement?

As clearly stated in the course catalog, students are expected to fulfill the quantitative reasoning (QR) requirement during their first two years at COA. To fulfill this requirement, a student must take at least one QR course. QR courses include, but are not limited to, math courses.

Many students delay taking a QR course. This is certainly understandable, and I'm well aware of the other requirements that entering students must complete: Core course, writing, and history. However, there are some reasons why I think it's better to take a QR course sooner rather than later:

  1. With a solid math and quantitative reasoning background, students will get much more out of some classes, especially science and economics classes.
  2. Students with weak math skills worry that a QR course will be difficult and/or unpleasant. However, waiting to take a QR course won't make it any easier. I think it's better to take a math course before too much high school math is forgotten.


Do AP credits fulfill the Quantitative Reasoning Requirement?

AP credits do not fulfill the QR requirement. Many
transfer credits do count, however.


Do any non-math classes fulfill the Quantitative Reasoning Requirement?

Yes. Physics I and II, Chemistry II, all advanced Chemistry Classes, Field Ecology and Data Analysis, and Biomechanics all meet the QR requirement.


What Math is Needed for Other Classes?


What math is needed for graduate school?

  • This depends, of course, on what sort of graduate school you're interested in. I believe that almost all science grad schools as well as medical and veterinary schools require two terms of calculus. These programs also usually require at least two terms of physics too. Some social science/economics programs probably also require some calculus and also a term or two of statistics. For a more definitive answer, you should consult the grad school(s) you're interested in. Most graduate programs list admissions requirements on their website.


Who should take The Nature and Language of Mathematics?

  • The Nature and Language of Mathematics is an introductory course designed to help students discover the connections between mathematics and other areas of human understanding. There are no pre-requisites for this course; this course is especially well suited for students with shaky math backgrounds and/or math phobia. Note: The Nature and Language of Mathematics will not be offered 2001-02.


Who should take Introduction to Chaos and Fractals?


Should I take Nature and Language of Mathematics or Intro to Chaos and Fractals?

Both of these courses are somewhat non-traditional, in that students will read non-textbooks and will write essays in addition to solving problems. Also, neither of these courses is a systematic journey through a typical algebra or pre-calculus curriculum. Both of these courses are designed primarily for students whose interests lie outside of the sciences. (Science students are, of course, still welcome! However, these courses aren't designed to prepare students for further science or math study. But they won't hurt, either.) Here are some things to consider as you decide which course is for you:
  • Read the descriptions of these courses on the web page.
  • Of the two, Intro to Chaos and Fractals is the more advanced course. Chaos and Fractals will be taught at a "pre-calculus" level -- although it will be very different than a pre-calculus course. Here's one way to decide which level course is best for you: When taking the diagnostic test, which of the following more accurately describes your response to the test?
    1. I used to know how to do this! I've forgotten a bunch over the summer (or over the years). I'm confident that with some review, I could do most of the problems on this test.
    2. I've seen this stuff before, but I don't think I ever really really understood it. I didn't do that well in math in high school.
    If you answered 1, then Chaos and Fractals is probably best for you. If you answered 2, The Nature and Language of Mathematics is likely the best course.
  • Talk to me. If you're unsure about which course to take, drop me an email or stop by and we can discuss the two courses, what you're looking for in a math course, etc.


Do math courses taken at other colleges "count"?

  • In general, yes. (But to be sure, you should check with me and/or the college registrar.) Taking a course at another college is a good option for some students, especially those who are having a difficult time fitting all the COA requirements into their schedule and/or who might rather take their math at a less expensive college.

Can I place out of the QR requirement?

  • No. Regardless of whatever math you've had before you came here, you need to take one QR course while at COA (unless you're a transfer student.) The idea is that all students, as part of their interdisciplinary B.A. in human ecology, should take at least one course that requires quantitative reasoning or working symbolically.

Should I take Calculus?

  • Many students who are good at and/or like math feel they are ``supposed to'' take calculus. Perhaps their parents or siblings took calculus in college, or maybe they want the challenge, or maybe they just feel it's next in line. For many of these students, calculus is indeed an appropriate and fun course. However, statistics is another option. Statistics is, arguably, more important for a human ecologist than calculus. And statistics is certainly used more in other classes at coa than calculus.

I've taken Calculus before, can I start in Calc II? Should I take Calculus at all?

  • If you had calculus before, I recommend that you not take calculus I, unless you had a really bad calculus experience. If your calc experience was in the ok to pretty good range, then you might consider taking Calc II. In Calc II we cover techniques of integration, applications of integration, and sums and series. We also do a fair amount of review of derivatives. If you had a good, solid calculus experience, then it's probably in your best interest to skip Calc I and II. By solid experience, I mean that you felt like you "got" many of the things you covered in calculus, not that you remember tons of formulas.

    The above is just a set of guidelines, however. If you had calc before, it's probably a good idea to talk with me about what Calc, if any, you should take at COA.


What advanced math courses will be offered?

There are a number of options for those seeking a post-calculus mathy experience.
  • Applied Ordinary Differential Equations was offered last spring (2001) and will probably be offered again in 2003-04.

  • Chaos and Complex Systems will be offered sometime next year (2001-2002). This course is a survey of a range of topics in modern nonlinear mathematics, including, but not limited to: discrete dynamical systems, cellular automata, boolean networks, agent-based models, game theory, chaos, and fractals. Calculus I and II are prerequisites for the course.

  • While not strictly post-calculus, Field Ecology and Data Analysis is an advanced course that uses lots of statistics. This course is strongly recommended for students with a good math aptitude who are interested in field biology.

  • There are a number of tutorials or independent studies that are available. One possibilities include Quantum Mechanics, Calc III as well as linear algebra, or a variety of physics things. Talk to me if you're interested.


Is computer programming offered?

  • Yes. There is an introduction to c++ course offered as a tutorial. See me if you're interested.

Is astronomy offered?

  • It is unlikely that astronomy will be offered as a course this year or next. However, there are great opportunities for independent studies and tutorials. See me if you're interested. You could also talk to John Visvader; he's led astronomy tutorials in the past and also takes care of the college's telescope. Astronomy tutorials and independent studies can be designed for students with any sort of a math background.


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